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by 1[WoWz] » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:42 am
Hello all. Most people know that magic resistance (MR) is required if you want to fight the harder magic using mobs in the game.
Although I don't know exactly how the damage is calculated, I know that once you have a certain amount of MR against a mob, it reduces the damage of most spells to the lowest amount. To resist the maximum amount of damage, your MR has to be 1.25x the amount of INT that mob has.
With a full set of fel/dun/bal-mythic artifacts or MR+5 gear and level 350+, a fighter, rogue, monk or priest may be able to reach 2500 or higher MR or even get closer to 3000. Mages and necromancers will have higher MR because they will put points into Int. I believe the best number to reach for is 2625 MR, since this will help you resist all heroic dragons besides reds.
Sorry the list isn't more pretty, feel free to format it and repost it if you'd like. Here is the list of the more popular mobs and the MR required to resist them:
- name INT MR rqd (normal) MR rqd (heroic) MR rqd (epic)
blood_lord 4000 5000 15000 25000
blood_wyvern 3260 4075 12225 20375
shadowlord 3000 3750 11250 18750
blood_mage 2600 3250 9750 16250
shadow_dragon 2200 2750 8250 13750
balron 2000 2500 7500 12500
shadow_mage 2000 2500 7500 12500
shadow_daemon 2000 2500 7500 12500
blood_dragon 1800 2250 6750 11250
blood_hydra 1360 1700 5100 8500
shadow_imp 1200 1500 4500 7500
blood_drake 1000 1250 3750 6250
red_dragon 800 1000 3000 5000
ice_dragon 700 875 2625 4375
fire_dragon 700 875 2625 4375
black_dragon 700 875 2625 4375
green_dragon 600 750 2250 3750
blue_dragon 500 625 1875 3125
lich 500 625 1875 3125
u4_lich 500 625 1875 3125
undead_lord 500 625 1875 3125
fire_daemon 450 562.5 1687.5 2812.5
demi_lich 450 562.5 1687.5 2812.5
white_dragon 400 500 1500 2500
zombie_dragon 400 500 1500 2500
skeletal_dragon 400 500 1500 2500
daemon 400 500 1500 2500
devil 350 437.5 1312.5 2187.5
fiery_fox 300 375 1125 1875
nightmare 300 375 1125 1875
drake 300 375 1125 1875
mothra 300 375 1125 1875
hydra 250 312.5 937.5 1562.5
quasit 200 250 750 1250
nox_mephit 200 250 750 1250
skeleton_mage 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
evil_wizard 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
vampire 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
hellcat 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
basilisk 100 125 375 625
fire_lizard 100 125 375 625
imp 100 125 375 625
troll_priest 80 100 300 500
goblin_shaman 80 100 300 500
shadow_orc 80 100 300 500
reaper 60 75 225 375
mimic 60 75 225 375
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by Cirrus » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:44 am
Hey, 1. I tried to draft a more formatted version, but I wasn't able to upload it. Failing that, here's a slightly clearer version of your list, although it's still not as nice as I'd like.
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name INT MR (normal) MR (heroic) MR (epic)
blood lord 4000 5000 15000 25000
blood wyvern 3260 4075 12225 20375
shadowlord 3000 3750 11250 18750
blood mage 2600 3250 9750 16250
shadow dragon 2200 2750 8250 13750
balron 2000 2500 7500 12500
shadow mage 2000 2500 7500 12500
shadow daemon 2000 2500 7500 12500
blood dragon 1800 2250 6750 11250
blood hydra 1360 1700 5100 8500
shadow imp 1200 1500 4500 7500
blood drake 1000 1250 3750 6250
red dragon 800 1000 3000 5000
ice dragon 700 875 2625 4375
fire dragon 700 875 2625 4375
black dragon 700 875 2625 4375
green dragon 600 750 2250 3750
blue dragon 500 625 1875 3125
lich 500 625 1875 3125
u4 lich 500 625 1875 3125
undead lord 500 625 1875 3125
fire daemon 450 562.5 1687. 5 2812.5
demi lich 450 562.5 1687.5 2812.5
white dragon 400 500 1500 2500
zombie dragon 400 500 1500 2500
skeletal dragon 400 500 1500 2500
daemon 400 500 1500 2500
devil 350 437.5 1312.5 2187.5
fiery fox 300 375 1125 1875
nightmare 300 375 1125 1875
drake 300 375 1125 1875
mothra 300 375 1125 1875
hydra 250 312.5 937.5 1562.5
quasit 200 250 750 1250
nox mephit 200 250 750 1250
skeleton mage 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
evil wizard 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
vampire 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
hellcat 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
basilisk 100 125 375 625
fire lizard 100 125 375 625
imp 100 125 375 625
troll priest 80 100 300 500
goblin shaman 80 100 300 500
shadow orc 80 100 300 500
reaper 60 75 225 375
mimic 60 75 225 375
~edit - removed the Ogre!
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by Mackey » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:07 am
This is why magic resistance and defense need to be reworked
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by EmoMage » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:23 am
i'm unsure why the hell this is in here? doesn't an ogre smack you with a club?
eggmceye wrote:ParadoxOfChoice wrote:
Zombie using bow/sling probably shouldn't give disease.
the zombies are pulling the arrows out of their ass
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by 1[WoWz] » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:11 am
EmoMage wrote:
i'm unsure why the hell this is in here? doesn't an ogre smack you with a club?
Because I have poor attention to detail.
Mackey wrote:This is why magic resistance and defense need to be reworked
I disagree, I think magic resistance is in a great place right now. I don't think defense needs to be reworked, there just needs to be hunting grounds of high damage melee mobs like Shadow Warriors and Blood Warriors that make building defense seem worth while.
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by EmoMage » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:24 am
oh you made the list?
i thought i was something you found in files or something and just posted it. i sowwy <3
eggmceye wrote:ParadoxOfChoice wrote:
Zombie using bow/sling probably shouldn't give disease.
the zombies are pulling the arrows out of their ass
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by 1[WoWz] » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:31 am
EmoMage wrote:oh you made the list?
i thought i was something you found in files or something and just posted it. i sowwy <3
There is a list of mobs in the maped download. I calculated the MR based on the mobs int then I trimmed the columns and took out a majority of the mobs. I forgot to take out ogre but I have updated it now.
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by EmoMage » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:40 am
ohs, otays.
eggmceye wrote:ParadoxOfChoice wrote:
Zombie using bow/sling probably shouldn't give disease.
the zombies are pulling the arrows out of their ass
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by Rumper » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:28 am
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name INT MR (normal) MR (heroic) MR (epic)
blood lord ------- 4000 --- 5000 -------- 15000 ------ 25000
blood wyvern 3260 4075 12225 20375
shadowlord ------- 3000 --- 3750 -------- 11250 ------ 18750
blood mage 2600 3250 9750 16250
shadow dragon ---- 2200 --- 2750 -------- 8250 ------- 13750
balron 2000 2500 7500 12500
shadow mage ------ 2000 --- 2500 -------- 7500 ------- 12500
shadow daemon 2000 2500 7500 12500
blood dragon ----- 1800 --- 2250 -------- 6750 ------- 11250
blood hydra 1360 1700 5100 8500
shadow imp ------- 1200 --- 1500 -------- 4500 ------- 7500
blood drake 1000 1250 3750 6250
red dragon ------- 800 ---- 1000 -------- 3000 ------- 5000
ice dragon 700 875 2625 4375
fire dragon ------ 700 ---- 875 --------- 2625 ------- 4375
black dragon 700 875 2625 4375
green dragon ----- 600 ---- 750 --------- 2250 ------- 3750
blue dragon 500 625 1875 3125
lich ------------- 500 ---- 625 --------- 1875 ------- 3125
u4 lich 500 625 1875 3125
undead lord ------ 500 ---- 625 --------- 1875 ------- 3125
fire daemon 450 562.5 1687.5 2812.5
demi lich -------- 450 ---- 562.5 ------- 1687.5 ----- 2812.5
white dragon 400 500 1500 2500
zombie dragon ---- 400 ---- 500 --------- 1500 ------- 2500
skeletal dragon 400 500 1500 2500
daemon ----------- 400 ---- 500 --------- 1500 ------- 2500
devil 350 437.5 1312.5 2187.5
fiery fox -------- 300 ---- 375 --------- 1125 ------- 1875
nightmare 300 375 1125 1875
drake ------------ 300 ---- 375 --------- 1125 ------- 1875
mothra 300 375 1125 1875
hydra ------------ 250 ---- 312.5 ------- 937.5 ------ 1562.5
quasit 200 250 750 1250
nox mephit ------- 200 ---- 250 --------- 750 -------- 1250
skeleton mage 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
evil wizard ------ 150 ---- 187.5 ------- 562.5 ------ 937.5
vampire 150 187.5 562.5 937.5
hellcat ---------- 150 ---- 187.5 ------- 562.5 ------ 937.5
basilisk 100 125 375 625
fire lizard ------ 100 ---- 125 --------- 375 -------- 625
imp 100 125 375 625
troll priest ----- 80 ----- 100 --------- 300 -------- 500
goblin shaman 80 100 300 500
shadow orc ------- 80 ----- 100 --------- 300 -------- 500
reaper 60 75 225 375
mimic ------------ 60 ----- 75 ---------- 225 -------- 375
Something a bit cleaner, /D Tab to spaces FTW!
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by Assailant » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:37 pm
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by eggmceye » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:56 pm
Mr is now capped at 9999 ... however after seeing this table I'm unsure abt that change. It was capped at 9999 purely because 10k is magic immune. I think magic immune could be 100k and then remove the 9999 cap. But then mr might be too high for anyone to tackle. So maybe heroic and epic mr needs to scale differently overall. Unsure what to do. Posting from a record shop in hong Kong while wife spends our mortgage on expensive collectable vinyls LAUGHING OUT LOUD LIKE A MORON
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by Eclips » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:19 pm
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by LaughingCoyote » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:10 pm
eggmceye wrote:Mr is now capped at 9999 ... however after seeing this table I'm unsure abt that change. It was capped at 9999 purely because 10k is magic immune. I think magic immune could be 100k and then remove the 9999 cap. But then mr might be too high for anyone to tackle. So maybe heroic and epic mr needs to scale differently overall. Unsure what to do. Posting from a record shop in hong Kong while wife spends our mortgage on expensive collectable vinyls LAUGHING OUT LOUD LIKE A MORON
Shit. You got married? Congrats.
Oh, you've been married for at least 8 years. My bad.
Back to the question, there is no actual way for a player to break 10k-1 MR without cleave, acid spray, etc right? Even CinisterD's glass cannon build cant get close. So whats the actual problem with a 9999 MR cap?
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by eggmceye » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:21 pm
My main motivation is simply not having a wonky MR table. A smooth transition to 9999 would be better than a fast one that plateaus. If 9999 is already really hard then I won't increase that limit further. Anyway what's been done was a step in the right direction.
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by Keighn » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:18 am
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by 1[WoWz] » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:07 am
eggmceye wrote:My main motivation is simply not having a wonky MR table. A smooth transition to 9999 would be better than a fast one that plateaus. If 9999 is already really hard then I won't increase that limit further. Anyway what's been done was a step in the right direction.
I don't think anyone on any server has 9999. The highest MR achievable is probably right below or over 5k and that's with a level 1000 PD character with all points in int. I always make the suggestion for players to get 2625 MR which is enough to resist heroic dragons besides reds. Anything harder than heroic dragons, HP is more effective than MR when it comes to defense.
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by EmoMage » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:03 am
i can reach 6500 mr with the right gear set up, food, and feel great from a fountain. probably even more now that i have artifacts.
eggmceye wrote:ParadoxOfChoice wrote:
Zombie using bow/sling probably shouldn't give disease.
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by Keighn » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:25 am
Le bump. Still looking for formulas per class/item for magical damage.
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by demiskeleton » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:45 am
Hey all, I didn't feel like working hard today so I built a quick python script to calc the hard values of MR. this is using the above table for base int and assuming that heroic is X3 and epic is X5.
the resist 50 is how much magic resist you would need to stop 50% of the dmg and 25% is how much you need to get the minimum dmg (resist 75% of dmg)
some interesting things is the rule is pretty close for lower int values but when you get to epic it can get pretty off and people might be walking in with less than needed expecting to be okay
this is based off the formula egg posted here back in 2015! unsure if it's still the same formula here:
https://forums.swut.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 26&p=88878 which is.
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diff = defender_mr - attacker_int
scale = 1.1-diff/(defender_mr/4.0)
dmg = ROUND(scale* dmg)
if i can get access to the dmg code and spell code I can probably get an expected average dmg chart in here too
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+-----------------+----------+------------+------------+------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
| Name | Base Int | Resist 50% | Resist 25% | Heroic Int | Hero 50% | Hero 25% | Epic Int | Epic 50% | Epic 25% |
+-----------------+----------+------------+------------+------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
| blood lord | 4000 | 4705.8 | 5079.3 | 12000.0 | 14117.6 | 15238.0 | 20000.0 | 23529.4 | 25396.8 |
| blood wyvern | 3260 | 3835.2 | 4139.6 | 9780.0 | 11505.8 | 12419.0 | 16300.0 | 19176.4 | 20698.4 |
| shadowlord | 3000 | 3529.4 | 3809.5 | 9000.0 | 10588.2 | 11428.5 | 15000.0 | 17647.0 | 19047.6 |
| blood mage | 2600 | 3058.8 | 3301.5 | 7800.0 | 9176.4 | 9904.7 | 13000.0 | 15294.1 | 16507.9 |
| shadow dragon | 2200 | 2588.2 | 2793.6 | 6600.0 | 7764.7 | 8380.9 | 11000.0 | 12941.1 | 13968.2 |
| balron | 2000 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 | 6000.0 | 7058.8 | 7619.0 | 10000.0 | 11764.7 | 12698.4 |
| shadow mage | 2000 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 | 6000.0 | 7058.8 | 7619.0 | 10000.0 | 11764.7 | 12698.4 |
| shadow daemon | 2000 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 | 6000.0 | 7058.8 | 7619.0 | 10000.0 | 11764.7 | 12698.4 |
| blood dragon | 1800 | 2117.6 | 2285.7 | 5400.0 | 6352.9 | 6857.1 | 9000.0 | 10588.2 | 11428.5 |
| blood hydra | 1360 | 1600.0 | 1726.9 | 4080.0 | 4800.0 | 5180.9 | 6800.0 | 8000.0 | 8634.9 |
| shadow imp | 1200 | 1411.7 | 1523.8 | 3600.0 | 4235.2 | 4571.4 | 6000.0 | 7058.8 | 7619.0 |
| blood drake | 1000 | 1176.4 | 1269.8 | 3000.0 | 3529.4 | 3809.5 | 5000.0 | 5882.3 | 6349.2 |
| red dragon | 800 | 941.1 | 1015.8 | 2400.0 | 2823.5 | 3047.6 | 4000.0 | 4705.8 | 5079.3 |
| ice dragon | 700 | 823.5 | 888.8 | 2100.0 | 2470.5 | 2666.6 | 3500.0 | 4117.6 | 4444.4 |
| fire dragon | 700 | 823.5 | 888.8 | 2100.0 | 2470.5 | 2666.6 | 3500.0 | 4117.6 | 4444.4 |
| black dragon | 700 | 823.5 | 888.8 | 2100.0 | 2470.5 | 2666.6 | 3500.0 | 4117.6 | 4444.4 |
| green dragon | 600 | 705.8 | 761.9 | 1800.0 | 2117.6 | 2285.7 | 3000.0 | 3529.4 | 3809.5 |
| blue dragon | 500 | 588.2 | 634.9 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 | 2500.0 | 2941.1 | 3174.6 |
| lich | 500 | 588.2 | 634.9 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 | 2500.0 | 2941.1 | 3174.6 |
| u4 lich | 500 | 588.2 | 634.9 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 | 2500.0 | 2941.1 | 3174.6 |
| undead lord | 500 | 588.2 | 634.9 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 | 2500.0 | 2941.1 | 3174.6 |
| fire daemon | 450 | 529.4 | 571.4 | 1350.0 | 1588.2 | 1714.2 | 2250.0 | 2647.0 | 2857.1 |
| demi lich | 450 | 529.4 | 571.4 | 1350.0 | 1588.2 | 1714.2 | 2250.0 | 2647.0 | 2857.1 |
| white dragon | 400 | 470.5 | 507.9 | 1200.0 | 1411.7 | 1523.8 | 2000.0 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 |
| zombie dragon | 400 | 470.5 | 507.9 | 1200.0 | 1411.7 | 1523.8 | 2000.0 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 |
| skeletal dragon | 400 | 470.5 | 507.9 | 1200.0 | 1411.7 | 1523.8 | 2000.0 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 |
| daemon | 400 | 470.5 | 507.9 | 1200.0 | 1411.7 | 1523.8 | 2000.0 | 2352.9 | 2539.6 |
| devil | 350 | 411.7 | 444.4 | 1050.0 | 1235.2 | 1333.3 | 1750.0 | 2058.8 | 2222.2 |
| fiery fox | 300 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 900.0 | 1058.8 | 1142.8 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 |
| nightmare | 300 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 900.0 | 1058.8 | 1142.8 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 |
| drake | 300 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 900.0 | 1058.8 | 1142.8 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 |
| mothra | 300 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 900.0 | 1058.8 | 1142.8 | 1500.0 | 1764.7 | 1904.7 |
| hydra | 250 | 294.1 | 317.4 | 750.0 | 882.3 | 952.3 | 1250.0 | 1470.5 | 1587.3 |
| quasit | 200 | 235.2 | 253.9 | 600.0 | 705.8 | 761.9 | 1000.0 | 1176.4 | 1269.8 |
| nox mephit | 200 | 235.2 | 253.9 | 600.0 | 705.8 | 761.9 | 1000.0 | 1176.4 | 1269.8 |
| skeleton mage | 150 | 176.4 | 190.4 | 450.0 | 529.4 | 571.4 | 750.0 | 882.3 | 952.3 |
| evil wizard | 150 | 176.4 | 190.4 | 450.0 | 529.4 | 571.4 | 750.0 | 882.3 | 952.3 |
| vampire | 150 | 176.4 | 190.4 | 450.0 | 529.4 | 571.4 | 750.0 | 882.3 | 952.3 |
| hellcat | 150 | 176.4 | 190.4 | 450.0 | 529.4 | 571.4 | 750.0 | 882.3 | 952.3 |
| basilisk | 100 | 117.6 | 126.9 | 300.0 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 500.0 | 588.2 | 634.9 |
| fire lizard | 100 | 117.6 | 126.9 | 300.0 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 500.0 | 588.2 | 634.9 |
| imp | 100 | 117.6 | 126.9 | 300.0 | 352.9 | 380.9 | 500.0 | 588.2 | 634.9 |
| troll priest | 80 | 94.1 | 101.5 | 240.0 | 282.3 | 304.7 | 400.0 | 470.5 | 507.9 |
| goblin shaman | 80 | 94.1 | 101.5 | 240.0 | 282.3 | 304.7 | 400.0 | 470.5 | 507.9 |
| shadow orc | 80 | 94.1 | 101.5 | 240.0 | 282.3 | 304.7 | 400.0 | 470.5 | 507.9 |
| reaper | 60 | 70.5 | 76.1 | 180.0 | 211.7 | 228.5 | 300.0 | 352.9 | 380.9 |
| mimic | 60 | 70.5 | 76.1 | 180.0 | 211.7 | 228.5 | 300.0 | 352.9 | 380.9 |
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