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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Azalynn » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:01 pm

eggmceye wrote:yes, diversity is important, but I'm not losing any sleep over the fact there is one best weapon - but take my word for it that I'm not shitting on diversity. I'm just bothered by the fact there are 2 stat builds. fix that and diversity might somewhat follow anyway.

It absolutely would fix diversity, it is a huge let down getting these epic fighter weapons and instantly being shitty because you cant use it to its full potential. RIP every claymore ever. Coolest weapons in the game.
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby eggmceye » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:01 pm

IMHO some sorta claymore should be best weapon in game
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Heikki » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:04 pm

eggmceye wrote:IMHO some sorta claymore should be best weapon in game

Actually there is room for new sword type weapon also:

As there is:
* 2 different "mace type" 2-handed weapons (Lucern hammer + great maul)
* many different "pole type" 2-handed weapons
* 2 different "axe type" 2-handed weapons (2-handed axe + labrys)
* ONLY 1 2-handed "long sword type" weapon (Claymore)

Maybe "Great sword"?
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby eggmceye » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:14 pm

claymore is a great sword
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby eggmceye » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:15 pm

but claymore is a great sword

claymore is a great sword
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Heikki » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:22 pm

eggmceye wrote:but claymore is a great sword

claymore is a great sword


Oh it seems to be so.

Better shot: "Dire sword" ?

Or "Estoc" too exotic name?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoc

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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Heikki » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:04 pm

Keighn wrote: Labrys isn't all that fast and its damage sucks but 90/10 will make it better also in the long run is your % are correct.


Labrys and 2-handed axe are SO close each others (damage 1d11 and 3d4, speed 2.8 and 2.4).. so almost identical weapons and damage output is pretty bad on both --> Nobody use them. Maybe set labrys to 3d6 or even 2d10 and make it slow --> that would set axes back to business!
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Mackey » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:05 pm

eggmceye wrote:IMHO some sorta claymore should be best weapon in game


Great Sword?

Slightly higher attack speed than claymore, similar damage for higher dps?
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Keighn » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:36 am

I had an entry to a thread where i suggested a reworking and addition to weapons (didn't do research on dps) but in it was Great Sword and Great Axe (eh many rpgs run out of names so great, grand, 2-handed etc). I believe i mirrored Great maul damage. There were filler weapons too but that just means tons more different drops. Some might thing each weapon should have its own unique perk of some kind.

Again, as an Role player i made alts using different combos just for the cool isea and look. Ie paladin in silver armorr and weapons. Barbarian in leathers, buffalo bill the hunter, RockyBalboa, MamaJamma and her fry pan, venom alts, rune alts, etc etc (about the only fail is a captain america so its punch punch shield bash)
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Keighn » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 am

Ah... Here it be.
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Azalynn » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:21 pm

Was there no solid rebuttal? Im ready for this to happen.
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby SanJorge » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:25 pm

What will i do with my Fighter/Rogues and Rogue/Fighters ?

Maybe a subclass for Fighter . loses beserk stance , and gets "the way of sword stance", 15% of counter when attack is dodged and 50/50 str/dex.
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby eggmceye » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:33 am

so there's the best argument against ... it breaks fighter/rogue
but surely it doesn't break it that hard since aren't all rogue weapons 10/90 now?
and why/how would you be using both a fighter weapon and a rogue weapon at the same time?
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby SanJorge » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:41 am

i thought its all 25/75 str/dex for rogue, if not they are broken when that got changed, but i played with my lvl 377 Fighter/Rogue on PD with a vamp epee vam and it performed better than with vamp tomahawk +9.
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Heikki » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:05 am

Dex 75 / Str 25 Rogue that uses fighter weapon is already 50% off from optimal. Str 90 / dex 10 make it just additional 15%... I don't say it does not matter... but does it matter that bad?
(for "normal" PVE this 15% destroys diversity totally. As told upper posts ^^. Also makes almost all fighter weapons not worth of looting)

SanJorge wrote:my lvl 377 Fighter/Rogue on PD with a vamp epee vam and it performed better than with vamp tomahawk +9.


Ofcourse epee do better because foils are 75 DEX and 25 STR
fighter weps are 75 STR and 25 DEX now.

AND: After possible change your Epee do still same damage! (nothing changes on it).... Vamp tomahawk +9 becomes 15% weaker


Both are 75/25 but str and dex swapped

Rogues takes fighter dual class usually because of "Tactics"-skill bonus
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Fighters takes rogue dual class usually for "traps"-skill and "hide"-skill.

You can also use "dual class" weapon but it is not effective. Or for RP:ing of course.

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UA Weapons are (and remains?) as 50/50 ratio. You should try it for dual class? It is "only" 25% off to both
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Tink » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:33 am

You guys keep talking in circles.

I think weapon diversity alone is a big winner here. I think 75/25 would be sufficient. Fighters already have huge HP pools.

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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby EmoMage » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:32 pm

i don't remember starting this thread, but it's a whole lot of fuckery.

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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Azalynn » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:17 pm

Just make it something and roll with it damn it. We will all buy respecs and be done with it. Jesus.
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby Heikki » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm

Tink wrote:You guys keep talking in circles.

I think weapon diversity alone is a big winner here. I think 75/25 would be sufficient. Fighters already have huge HP pools.

Bring forth the spicy comments!


As I earlier said 75/25 means 15% nerf to fighters. Anyways I think you still trolling here for because of necro CHEESING nerf so how about :getout:
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Re: fighter (and other class) stat splits argument thread

Postby eggmceye » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:10 pm

:chill: guys, really sucks to see this infighting

how about I make it 85/15 or some offbrand ratio then everyone has to buy a respec

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