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radoteur wrote:My computer is a compaq, too, if that means anything.

compaq presario pc sr5127cl
on windows vista home premium
I don't know what other information might be important. I'm using the keyboard that came with the computer. I have my other computer in a box in the middle of my room, but I don't really feel like opening it. I suppose I could dig out my other keyboard and try it.
Maybe it's a compaq thing?
English language. The keyboard is Compaq model no. 5191 if that helps. In keyboard properties it says Enhanced multimedia PS/2 keyboard. I don't know what you mean by keyboard settings.

Should I post this in the other thread?

My computer isn't finnish or anything.
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What make/model computer do you have?
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radoteur wrote:What make/model computer do you have?
None, if you mean to find out if this is a Compaq related problem. I haven't bought a brand computer (Amiga not included ;)) since my first PC some 20 years ago. (Funny though, that WAS a Compaq and one of the main reasons I decided to never again buy a readymade desktop...) Since then I have put them together from the parts that *I* want in a computer. So no help here. :/

I doubt it is a hardware problem, more like a "dead key" problem with either Allegro or something else systemwise (judging from the problems people are having with some other games and several Windows systems). That doesn't explain why the = key stopped working in our case, though - it's not a dead key in the US keyboard, since it has none. But I'm no programmer so this is pretty much shooting in the wind.
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radoteur wrote:
radoteur wrote:My computer is a compaq, too, if that means anything.

compaq presario pc sr5127cl
on windows vista home premium
I don't know what other information might be important. I'm using the keyboard that came with the computer. I have my other computer in a box in the middle of my room, but I don't really feel like opening it. I suppose I could dig out my other keyboard and try it.
Maybe it's a compaq thing?
English language. The keyboard is Compaq model no. 5191 if that helps. In keyboard properties it says Enhanced multimedia PS/2 keyboard. I don't know what you mean by keyboard settings.

Should I post this in the other thread?

My computer isn't finnish or anything.
final question: what keyboard layout have you got windows set to - US?

Can you do a test: load euo, start chatting (ie hit enter) then try the keys not working, ie []`= ' ... let me know if they work in chat but not otherwise.
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Post by eggmceye »

people with keys not working, try this and report back:
* download exkeys.exe (link below) and put it in your euo folder
* run it and press the keys that don't work in euo and tell me what happens

http://swut.net/euo/files/exkeys.exe
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Another thing to try with euo
* download this allegro configurator http://swut.net/euo/files/allegro_setup.zip
* unzip into euo folder
* run setup.exe
* click autodetect
* click locale and select language and keyboard
* click Save and Close

you should now have a file allegro.cfg in your euo folder. Run euo and see if your keyboard is any better. Somehow I still doubt it.
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No luck in Finnish keyboard
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Heikki wrote:No luck in Finnish keyboard
what was your exact problem? You tried allegro_setup.zip, had windows set to fi keyboard and it didn't map correctly?
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eggmceye wrote:people with keys not working, try this and report back:
* download exkeys.exe (link below) and put it in your euo folder
* run it and press the keys that don't work in euo and tell me what happens
Here are the results of the Finnish jury:
(with Finnish keyboard layout)

Key with ½ and § (left of 1, above tab):
readkey() returned 26112 (0x6600), KEY102, ASCII 0
(Note: the read is continuous, i.e. I press the key once, it keeps reading it continuously until I press it again.)

Key with * and ', center letter row, left of enter:
The yellow cell reading "TREEMA" blinks, but otherwise no other info is read in any of the tests. (Trema = umlaut = ¨)

Key with ^¨~ , top letter row, left of enter:
readkey() returned 16869 (0x41E5), å, ASCII 229

Key with `´, left of backspace (where = is on US keyb):
Absolutely no response whatsoever.

And the Finnish umlauts and "stargåte" :) :

Ö (center letter row, right of L):
readkey() returned 27126 (0x69F6), KEY105, ASCII 246

Ä (center letter row, right of Ö):
readkey() returned 25856 (0x6500), KEY101, ASCII 0

Å (top letter row, right of P):
readkey() returned 25344 (0x6300), KEY99, ASCII 0

Any other keys I should test or report? On a quick look, all the other keys gave the result as expected, numeric keys worked etc.

Trying allegro_setup.zip as advised didn't help: I tried with "Finnish - Suomi" setup with FI keyboard set on Windows, no help - everything was the same. Also tried with "United States - English" and US keyboard set on Windows, same result. (Btw, pressing the apostrophe key when on US keyboard produces a ] on EUO.)
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The keys behave the same in chat and out of chat, if that's what you're asking.
That's the only way I found out about the [] bracket keys. Also, I was messing around the with pgup pgdown ones. They are messed up, too. It looks like Pgup behaves like pgdown and insert behaves like pgup.

My layout is US.
English (United States) - US
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I think I'm getting the same results as Aeryn, except my keyboard isn't finnish.

It's like exactly the same things I think.

= returned nothing.
` did the continuous thing. It said KEY102 in the yellow box.
and readkey() was 26112.

So it looks the same.

readkey()25856 is ' left of enter. Key101.

What happens when = is pressed where it works?
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Ive tried with Finnish keyboard layout with different keyboards in 98se/xp home/xp pro/vista home premium and only problems I had were with special attack keys, and it was with vista (numlock on).
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what was your exact problem? You tried allegro_setup.zip, had windows set to fi keyboard and it didn't map correctly?
I did all you asked befrore.
½ for heal still not work.

I got same return values as Aeryn from keys.

My keyboard is set to Fi (For Finnish) in Windows.
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RE `
do finnish keyboards have a key that has ` on it? Does it apply bandage to self?



NOW two things for those whose keyboards aren't working:

1) run exkeys again

up the top of the screen it will tell you something about a driver, eg

Driver: Direct Input keyboard

tell me what it says!!


2) run dxdiag - tell me what direct x version you have
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post #2
what keys exactly do you need in EUO to play (ie for functions) that don't work?

` for bandage self ... what else?
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eggmceye wrote:RE `
do finnish keyboards have a key that has ` on it? Does it apply bandage to self?
Yes it does have, as you can see on this layout picture, left of backspace key. It doesn't apply bandage, and it's marked as a dead key (with red colour).

1) exkeys sayeth: DirectInput keyboard

2) dxdiag sayeth: 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
(It's the latest update (9.22.1284) from March 2008, and 9.0c is the last supported version for 2k/XP since 10 is Vista only.)
eggmceye wrote: what keys exactly do you need in EUO to play (ie for functions) that don't work?

` for bandage self ... what else?
The bandage key is the one I need the most. The other might be = for setting prices on your merch. I can get that when I change to Finnish keyboard layout, so for me there is a workaround. Of course, I miss the apostrophe, too... the ' key for being able to talk properly and not like an illiterate chump. :)

(I miss the x for sextant, too, but that's not really a keyboard problem... ;)

PS: Installed Oblivion just to see if I can open the console, which I never used when playing, btw. And no, doesn't open with tilde there either so it's not strictly an EUO problem. There are mods for Oblivion to make it work, though, and in many other games you can change the shortcut key.
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Post by eggmceye »

Right, so I kinda get it now.

` is a dead key, so is ~
= and ' : only work when you change to finnish keyboard layout (why don't you use that all the time?)

what you really need is a way to let you define them yourself in euo, right?
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eggmceye wrote:Right, so I kinda get it now.

` is a dead key, so is ~
= and ' : only work when you change to finnish keyboard layout (why don't you use that all the time?)
Close, but only = works. None of the other three. Why I originally had to use the US layout was what I told Catherine in the original thread:
Aeryn wrote:In a Finnish keyboard the @ sign comes from altgr + 2, which also didn't work. I had no other choice but to change the Windows input locale for EUO when playing
So there wasn't any way at all to level on a Finnish layout. And even if `had worked on the Finnish keyboard (I actually can't remember if it did or not, since using the US layout had already become a habit), it was a one tap thing on the US layout vs. two keys on the Finnish (shift + ´), not to mention the location of those two keys on the opposite sides of the keyboard. I mainly use it to cure poison in the middle of a battle, so the US layout was way more handy for that purpose.
eggmceye wrote:what you really need is a way to let you define them yourself in euo, right?
I don't see any other way to handle this, because this isn't strictly an EUO problem only.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing some of the 1-8 shortcut keys for those - well, I would only really need the bandage self key and the apostrophe, since I can get the = when needed. I already did that for the bandages, tied them to one of the shortcut keys, but it's still two taps (key + dir).
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Post by eggmceye »

try rebinding with shift-k ... my prototype key rebinding facility!
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Post by radoteur »

I had the same exact problem with keys in dosbox. They have a thing to change the keybinds in there, though.

The ` key repeating is all the same. I supposed this workaround will be better though. I noticed that my volume keys don't work now, though. I suppose I'll try to remap them.

Mine says Driver: DirectInput keyboard
DirectX version: DirectX 10
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